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QUOTE(tootieflutie58 @ Sep 20 2017, 08:44 PM) *
I graduated from seminary in 2015 and am the Associate Pastor at my church. They can't afford to pay me, but they do reimburse my mileage and I get to preach sometimes! Still teaching school. It's my income and I do love the kids.

I am jealous of your work with Baroque music! I remember that. I also remember you were talking about getting an oboe. Can't remember if you got one or not.

Oops! Sorry, Keith! I Think I hijacked the thread . . . rolleyes.gif


Associate Pastor?!! That's great! We both know the pay comes in many forms wink.gif Glad you're still doing what you love to do - teaching school has always been important and rewarding for you. smile.gif

I'm thrilled to have taken a few more steps into the Early Music world. It's all new and exciting! Met some wonderful folks from around the world. A couple even have flutes I've made ohmy.gif Pierre Hamon who is a flute/recorder player with Jordi Savall and Elisabeth Champollion, who is a recorder player too. I'm sure you will enjoy their music which you can find on youtube.

I did get an oboe but it's a contemporary instrument and it needs a lot of work to be playable. Had the privilege to hang out with a woman who builds baroque oboes and has done so since the 70's. She is well respected in the early music world...she builds them using only hand tools!! I hope to get a baroque oboe one day. Oh our new neighbor, she lives about 50 miles away, builds baroque oboes!! I'm like a child in a toy store smile.gif
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QUOTE(tootieflutie58 @ Sep 20 2017, 05:48 PM) *
Hi Hawk!! biggrin.gif How is life treating you?

I LOVE baroque music. I really wish there was a recorder teacher near me so I could take lessons. Unfortunately, most people see the recorder as a toy or kid's school instrument.
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Hi Jan!! Life is treating me quite nicely!! How are you? You may remember my obsession with Baroque music after some work in England with the London Mozart Players. I'm still obsessed with it even more so now! 2 years ago I was invited to the Boston Early Music Festival as an exhibitor. What an amazing event!!! It's the world's premier festival of Early music. My musical interest is now sliding backwards to the Renaissance and Medieval era's...wow some wicked good music!!

I remember that you were moving towards the clergy. How is that going? Bet it's wonderful!!
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Posted on: Sep 19 2017, 05:18 PM


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QUOTE(tootieflutie58 @ Sep 19 2017, 05:53 PM) *


Great examples tootie! Thanks! smile.gif
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Michaels work is outstanding in my opinion. Given the fact that he also came on the scene when interest in the flute was at the beginning of it's revitalization and he has inspired a lot of makers and players I would say only adds to the value of his instruments. All of his that I have played are wonderful. I have been gifted several of his flutes including a very early one...they all play nicely.
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Posted on: Aug 17 2017, 10:42 AM


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QUOTE(Geoffrey @ Aug 17 2017, 10:35 AM) *
Very succinctly put, Mike!

It was the overwhelming flood of hobbyist makers into the NAF market that made me leave it. There was a sort of "golden age" for professional makers that lasted less than ten years (starting in the 90's) where there was a peaking interest in the NAF and not too many makers in the market.

Eventually, there were all sorts of amateurs (and some of them quite good--being a hobbyist does not mean they were not talented and capable makers), and then lots of part-time makers with other sources of income, and they were pricing their flutes in such a way that it was clear that they did not need the income from their endeavor. They just liked making them and would sell them for fun, or just to pay for materials and as this population of makers grew it became increasingly difficult to make a living wage.

I was still doing alright at the time, but I could definitely see the writing on the wall (this was around 2006). The market had changed and if I wanted to continue to have a job I had to change. So I started looking at wider horizons and at the same time started really putting time and money into streamlining my production.

A maker can have a good reputation, loyal customers and a good product, but it can still be tricky if there are other makers providing good instruments for fire-sale prices. I totally understand the difficulty of getting into a market as an unknown maker and one of the easiest ways to get your work out there is to price it so low that buyers are willing to take a gamble. Itís a tempting short cut, but the hidden problem is that once people get used to buying your product at a certain price point you will likely encounter a lot of resistance if you later decide youíd like to raise them! And then you also participate in "low-balling" the overall market and it affects everyone.

And different markets have different attitudes about spending money on instruments. In a very general sense, NAF players tend to be bargain shoppers (Iím painting with a broad brush, of course, but I think this is basically trueóthere are exceptions, no doubt) and this is troublesome if your goal is to make really fine instruments and price them in a way that is consistent with the time and skill it takes to make them. One of the reasons that Iíve moved into making things like head joints for Boehm (silver) flutes is because in that market the attitudes are utterly different. In fact, if you price too low in the Boehm flute market you can damage your chances because low price is equated with low quality. And additionally you absolutely cannot get away with making a "wall hanger" (the bane of the NAF market). You can't make a head joint that doesn't play well, dress it up with lots of bling and eye-catching decoration and hope to sell it. You simply can't get away with that sort of thing. In the NAF world, there are makers who routinely sell flutes that are beautiful to look at but are completely sub-standard as musical instruments. That would never happen if your market were classical musicians, traditional Irish musicians, etc..

Many people who embrace the NAF are not necessarily into it because it is a refined tool for doing serious music. It certainly can be such a tool, but that isn't why most players embrace it (in my experience). They embrace it because there is some spiritual or emotional connection, and it's a tool of healing and self-discovery more than something they are going to burden with more technical requirements. Again, using the broad brush here, but I found this to be generally true. Because of this the standards and expectations of the players are quite different from those of players in these other markets.


Well said Geoffrey ~
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Posted on: Aug 14 2017, 04:07 PM


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Good one Keith!! smile.gif
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Posted on: Jun 5 2017, 05:47 PM


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For you all who have been here a while this topic has been discussed many times. I think it is a worthy discussion that goes well beyond the scope of the "musical instrument" we call NAF.
Please don't hesitate to share your ideas and thoughts but lets be respectful in doing so that way we won't need to move it to the "Agree to Disagree" forum wink.gif

I'll reserve my comments for the time being...
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Posted on: Jun 5 2017, 05:41 PM


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QUOTE(MonoLoco @ Jun 5 2017, 06:22 PM) *
Hmmm.
"What, if any, responsibility do non-Natives who play NAF have in all this?"
In all "this"? Personally, I feel no responsibility for crimes committed by a government that was in power way before I was born - how could I possibly be held responsible in any way? Well, OK, I suppose I did buy a house on land that was stolen from the original caretakers - am I to give it back to their descendants? It's an interesting topic, but not with practical resolutions. It's hard to think on without interaction and specific feedback from those asking the questions.

The idea of cultural appropriation, on the other hand, is something that I do can, and do, consider regularly. I respect all people and all cultures. I borrow from all cultures, but always with respect and appreciation. With regards to the NAF, I (we Portalites) probably know more about the instrument than many, if not most, native folks. Because it is so important to me, I do feel a responsibility to help Natives who wish to reconnect with it do so ... I always freely offer to share my knowledge and give playing instructions, etc. In that way, I am able to give back at least a little. I also educate non-natives about the NAF, and make it a point to explain, even if briefly, the history of how it went underground and why it went underground and how it has made a comeback. In this way, the NAF opens peoples' eyes to the larger picture of some history that is otherwise not really well know by many non-natives. Anyway, that's how I "justify" my flute relationship ... should anyone think I need to justify it (not that "I" think I need to justify anything). Viva Kokopelli!


Scott that's pretty a presumptuous comment. You may have knowledge of the NAsF that some may not have but to say you know more about the NAF than most native people...I find that a bit offensive.
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Posted on: Jun 5 2017, 05:28 PM


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Hmmmm....
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Posted on: Mar 26 2017, 04:37 PM


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Found the recording online. The notes do not indicate any flute music but there are some good songs on it. I have a few cassette recordings with some of the singers. You'll enjoy it I am sure! smile.gif
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Posted on: Mar 26 2017, 04:32 PM


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Thanks so much for the time and effort to photograph and post these notes!! Is there flute music on the cd too? Does it mention the players name?
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Posted on: Mar 26 2017, 09:02 AM


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QUOTE(rocksncactus @ Mar 25 2017, 11:52 PM) *
Wow, thanks for all the replies! It's good to know others feel my pain. The problem is more or less resolved. I did manage to reallocate some money and went to the estate sale today. It started Thursday. I'm impressed that anything was left. When I walked in the door I saw a woman at the register waiting to pay for the flute that I'd wanted to go for. Totally my fault, I guess, as I could have gotten there sooner. I should have texted my friend who sent me pictures and told me of the sale on Friday to buy it immediately and I'd figure out something later. *sigh* It was a Bob Childs "Ugly Boy" low B that looked new. That lady also got a Jonah Thompson A and a horizontal rack for two flutes.

I checked out the other flutes and first said nah and instead bought the two multi-flute vertical stands. I put those in the car and went back. I ended up getting two of the other flutes and will probably be posting pics to see if anybody recognizes at least one's maker. The remaining three flutes were poor ones. One was a Goldenhawk, and the other two were unmarked. Oh, and the one flute that was missing that had been in my text photo was a long Billy Whitefox.

I also scored four Jeff Ball CDs and a CD of Ojibwa (sp.?) flute music/tribal history/information. I got a good deal on everything because I told him that the prices were a bit high. Oh, and I got one of the four drum beaters, too. I also talked a while to a couple there who may come to our next flute circle. I also suggested they join the Portal to start their NAF education.

So it turned out okay, but it will be a while before I get over missing out on that low B. They were asking $87, and he ended up agreeing to 50 because she bought other stuff! Talk about a steal!

Thanks for all the suggestions and support. You know, you always find something you need/want when you can't or shouldn't get it. I'm not broke; I'm saving for Musical Echoes, 'cause I'm GOING!!!!!!!!!! Got my hotel room and everything. This will be my first ever flute gathering of any kind other than flute circle, so I'm really stoked! And I am sure I'll find at least one flute there that will want to come home with me, so now I'm absolutely locking the billfold! And I'm saving some of y'all's suggestions for next time.



I'd love to know more about this cd. When it was made, who the flute person is and what types of information the cd offered. Also do you have photo's of the two unmarked flutes? Thanks...smile.gif
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Posted on: Feb 3 2017, 06:38 PM


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Scott I agree with Jan about the affect on it's value. I think anything you might do to it will. How long is the bore? 14-ish inches? Are the finger holes large? You maybe able to tune the flute to match the fundamental.
Have you had it a while? If it has sit a long time you may consider not doing anything to it until it has been "re-awakened" ...dramatic changes can happen to tuning when the flute is idle for a period...

Please do post some photo's...
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Posted on: Dec 5 2016, 10:48 AM


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QUOTE(Geoffrey @ Dec 5 2016, 02:42 PM) *
Indeed.

Lots of new members on the forums recently and I suspect many of them are not conversant with the site's policies regarding issues that have a strong political slant. In this part of the forum I grant you the rules are much more flexible, but the obvious logic of the rule can be seen. People get hot under the collar about politics.

If this were strictly a "spiritual" issue then I think there would be no controversy. At least no overt ambiguity (can something be overtly ambiguous?) about which category it falls into.

However as others have said this is a spiritual issue for many and at the same time inseparable from politics. I'm not around the site as much as I once was so I totally missed this thread. Had I seen it at first I probably would have stopped it because its political trajectory was unmistakable (meaning there is absolutely no way to discuss it at length without making reference to political issues).

So I have objection to folks talking about the environmental concerns, their personal spiritual views and such, but I would ask that for the sake of harmony no references at all to partisan politics. I realize how difficult this is. You can't talk about the law without touching on it. But sending prayers in a general way seems perfectly harmless (and hopefully beneficial!). Talking about the current or future administration is probably not a good idea.


Good post Geoffrey~
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Rick I'm just being antagonistic here so don't pay attention...smile.gif ( Actually thinking fondly of our earlier debates here on the Forum. Real debates not arguments. I miss a good old fashion debate)

This issue is as political as speaking about flutes in keys...ohmy.gif

In my eye's it is a Cultural issue ~ Both the issue at Standing Rock and the True nature of Flute...

OK Antagonistic hat off (mod hat back on too)

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Posted on: Dec 4 2016, 06:04 PM


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Peter mix up some 5 minute epoxy. As it begins to stiffen apply it to the inside of the hole. Once it dries you can gradually increase the hole diameter using a small round file or rolled up sandpaper. It is faster than the nail polish method and does not smell as much.
It's not really complicated to insert a round piece of wood into the hole. A contrasting color looks artistic. Sand the hole a bit to remove any finish. Shape a piece of wood that fits the hole. 5 minute epoxy to secure it then once dry open the hole to your desired size/pitch. A fairly simple fix...
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Feds deny permit for Dakota Access pipeline !!!!
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Posted on: Nov 24 2016, 06:30 AM


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Everyday we have many reasons to be grateful, many Blessings in our lives.

~Happy Thanksgiving~
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Good point Ed. In the video it appears he made the flute right after harvesting the wood. Do you know if in fact he did? My wife has urged me to try boring green sticks...I may give it a try. I imagine it won't be a long drying time with the bore in it...
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Nice flute! I have a small "bird " voiced flute that looks a lot like your Pomo flute. I agree the bark does hold fast...Overall I really enjoy using Elderberry for flutes and the plant itself has a lot of medicinal value.

Are you thinking of or have you made Fujara? It's on my list of flutes I NEED! smile.gif
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Posted on: Oct 26 2016, 06:09 AM


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Keith I searched for some more info regarding Elderberry wood's hardness. Not so surprisingly one site called it a soft wood and another a hardwood...smile.gif
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Soft is relative Keith...compared to Osage Orange it is soft BUT and that is a big BUT I don't believe it is technically a softwood. So there tongue.gif biggrin.gif
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Linnie elderberry is the traditional wood used in making Fujara. It has a soft pithy center which makes it a bit easier to bore as well as offering an easy path for the bit to follow. The wood itself is a "hardwood" but I consider it a softer hardwood similar to Birch.

Don't know much about the fabrication of the tool...It is nice though! smile.gif
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Stitches?!!! ohmy.gif Keith in all the years of making flutes I NEVER had to get stitches!!!!!! I did once need a stitch, a single stitch after I stuck a carving knife through my finger. Yep one stitch closed it up nicely. I won't tell you about the pain when the Dr put in the numbing stuff via a needle and how I almost, ALMOST, cried cause it hurt so much!! ohmy.gif Lisa was holding my hand as I trembled with watery eyes...but I did not cry!! smile.gif
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I loved watching this video!! Thanks Keith!!!

You're correct about the tools I use for boring. A brace and bit though the bits are not really compatible with the brace. They are meant for high speed electric drills. The shaft is round which causes it to slip. For years I filed the shaft from round to 3 sided. Now the company that makes the bits I use are making them 3 sided!

I also use a draw knife and block plane. I particularly liked the gauge used to measure the fipples angle...

Hand tools are wonderful to use for many reasons however after all these years my body is beginning to wear out! ohmy.gif I'll blame it on the tools but it is probably age related...biggrin.gif
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