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1031gd
Posted on: Jan 11 2009, 11:14 PM


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Hey I've got a couple of questions.

1. I've been thinking about getting some Guorilla Glue, will this work for making NAFs? If not what is recommended or most common to use? OR waht about CA glue (thick super glue mostly used in penturning)?

2. Has anyone used Thompson's Water Sealer for the inside bores? A Curious thought, so I thought to ask.


Thanks.
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1031gd
Posted on: Jan 11 2009, 11:08 PM


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Nice, I might have to make something similar. Was thinking about making one anyways if I am to get really heavy into making flutes. Great Job !!
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1031gd
Posted on: Jan 4 2009, 03:51 PM


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Ok. I have signed up with the groups. Thanks again.

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Thanks Greybeard, I'll check those out. I had heard there was a yahoo group but did know how to find it. Thanks for the links.

After reading a little of the book today, I figured the straight cut was as you said, for the flue. So I will need
to get the router bits, thats the only thing holding me a bit back. but I'll probably get that by next weekend.
I have to go back to work on Tues. have been off since the 19th. My cpmonay shutsdown for the last 2 weeks of the year for everyone. Now having this new found interest. I wish not to go back....lol. I need the time now to work on a flute....lol.

Ok. I'll check into the groups and will, ask often, and will report on my progress.


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1031gd
Posted on: Jan 4 2009, 12:39 PM


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So...with the burning stick. You heat them up with a torch, you insert into the note hole and let it burn it. The you scrape out the charred material?? OR do you use a twisting motion like using a reamer?

I like the idea of marking/making a template. That makes sense and don't need to make more work than needs to be on the next flute.

If I do the drill bits, then I just go up 1/64 at a time? I think thats what I'm hearing.

I've seen mentioned a few time of the Straightcut bit. So do you use this first for taking out the majority of the bore, then taking the core box for finalize the roundness? So if using the these, 3/4 or 7/8 bits, I only go so deep or flush with the egde, then when pieces are put together, they should be a full circle? Does anyone know
where I can see a clip in action of doing this process?

Any video clips would help me along as well.

Thanks guys.


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1031gd
Posted on: Jan 3 2009, 05:51 PM


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Are 3/4" and 7/8" most common to use for bores? Also has anyone one made a flute using a Dremel tool?
It might be a little time before I can get those size bits, and was curious to know if anyone started doing this before they had bits. You can see how anxious I am to start on making one. biggrin.gif
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1031gd
Posted on: Jan 3 2009, 05:44 PM


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Yeah, I'm excited to get started. I have made one flute earlier this week, it was only a PVC flute, and thats ok. But I'm sure its nothing to a wooden one....lol. I did it as for a mockup. Or practice if you will consider that.

I do have a question. In reading some of the book. Once you get the hole started, whats the best way to gradually open them for tuning? A stone bit was mentioned or I guess small incraments with the drill bits. Whats more common and how do you keep from going too far? Do you replug it and start over wink.gif ? I'm sure I'm bouncing around the book too much....lol. excitement ya know. giddy like. tongue.gif

And also a curious thought, any it may be in the book. Does anyone treat the sound chamber/bore? What works best if they do?

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1031gd
Posted on: Jan 2 2009, 09:32 PM


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Received my book today! Wha-Who !!!. Have thumbed it a few times. I was also able to get some nice wood from a local dealer here in Portland OR called Gilmer Wood Co. I got 1 piece Western Red Cedar, 1 Pomelle Sapele. For Both totalled $5.00. They were in the bargin bin, which I look over often. Can't pass up on a deal.
The Sapele I'll have to cut to size, but the Cedar is exactly what the book calls for. Couldn't go wrong and when I got home, the book had arrived 30 miutes earlier.

Now I have to get the router bit, and I'm all set. I have everything else. So We'll see and I'll post it when finished.



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Posted on: Jan 2 2009, 09:25 PM


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Thanks everyone for the GREAT welcomes. Today I got my Flute Shop book. Very impressive and I can see it'll
be my main book. Though I'm sure I'll get a DVD on flutemaking as well, so as to use for referencing that will help on visual aide.

Today I was able to get a couple of nice peices of wood. 1 Western Red Cedar, and 1 Pomelle Sapele. They were ina bargin bin so total cost was $5.00, believe it or not. I am truly in awe of some of the works on the flutes I have seen, and hope I can be up there with a quality piece myself. We'll see and I'll post picks for sure when I get one made.

Thanks again.


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1031gd
Posted on: Jan 1 2009, 01:18 PM


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QUOTE(Russ Wolf @ Jan 1 2009, 06:51 AM) *
My book should answer a lot of your questions, but if you have others, just post them here, send me an email or give me a call. I'm not always available, but when I am I enjoy talking to other flute makers. Russ Wolf rawolf60@verizon.net 972-221-5879



Hi Russ,

I appreciate your offer. I will definitely keep your info handy. Its nice to hear that an author is in touch with his
target audience, thats not very often heard of.

Yeah I am really excited to get your book and going to it. Thats why until then I was searching and asking. just anxious i guess...lol.

I will also definitely keep the forum posted on my progess. I have a dealer close by that has exotic woods and such, and I frequent their bargin barrel deals. So I know I can find some savings there.

Thanks again everyone. I'll let you know when I get the book.


Ray
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1031gd
Posted on: Dec 31 2008, 11:30 PM


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I enjoyed that. Very peaceful tone. Makes ya feel you were on the plains watching the wind roll the high grass across the low hills. Very nice.

How long did it take you to make that flute? Did you make it in one peice or 2 then laminated them together?

Great job.

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Posted on: Dec 31 2008, 10:52 PM


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QUOTE(Geoffrey @ Dec 31 2008, 10:27 PM) *
Hi 1031gd,

Well, I've never heard of any online archives where you can get flute measurement info, at least not ready-made. Anybody else know of an online flute-making resource?

Your best bet would be to spend a few bucks on a good book/books on the subject. Our own Russ Wolf (moderator of this forum) has a book on flute-making that is very popular, and Lew Price has some very informative books with LOTS of measurements and info (these books are not an easy read, however, and you have to use them more as a launching place).

"Myth or Fact... Does the distance need to be equal between the embrochure and the first hole, as with from the last note hole to the end of the flute? I read as long as the distances are the same, then it shouldn't matter where the holes are placed."

That would be a myth.

Lathe vs. hand-carved: Well, I've done both and I would take the lathe method any day! It takes a bit of practice learning to use the lathe properly (then again, what tool doesn't require practice?), but once mastered you can be very efficient. Another method is to use a router table with a round-over bit in your router. Anytime you are working around a router, be very careful. That piece of sharp, carbide steel sticking up there and rotating at 20,000 RMPs requires good "tool awareness".

If you are just making a flute for yourself, for fun, then hand-carving is a very satisfying way to do it. If you want to make a lot of flutes (for practice or for sale) then using the lather or the router method will speed things up quite a bit.



Hey Geoffrey,

Thanks for the reply. I do have a lathe and do some decent work on it. No problem there. Using the Lathe and router does look faster. And hand carvign i could do as well. I've seen some vids on hand carving and for the most part look easy enough, just knowing your depth and such would be more critical to find.

I looked over the Flutomat program. The only thing with It I have questions about, is that it does not factor into length of flute. Sure you can input any key you want, but would you think that knowing a length to input would give more precise requirements? Just a thought. Which is why I posted the question. I figured knowing a overall length would be the first key in design, then from there you'll know the distances to work with. Just thoughts in my head running.

I know NA flutes can be made in any length for the most part as I have seen online, but I guess my main hangup is just a length to start with. What would you suggest? Or what is the average length flute you own? If they are basically 18-24" Then that will give me a good start. I think it should be a decent size. I have every confidence in making a flute, I just want to make sure that I am making it correctly ro within a set guideline they are based on. If you know what i mean.

As for the book. I just bought, "Flute Shop" from the Oregon Flute store. I haven't recieved it yet, hopefully be here Fri.. So I guess you can tell I am a real newbie to this, but I ask a lot of questions first to dial in a game plan.

Tues. night I just made a PVC flute. Sounds ok, but still needs to be refined a little. I had no troubles there. Just learning to figure note holes. For this, I used a simple method, which was a finger width spacing between each note holes. But it was what I was going with at the time....lol.


Thanks again. I would like to get in contact sometime with Mr. Wolf and pick his brain. I guess I can look over his past posts and go from there.

TTYL



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1031gd
Posted on: Dec 31 2008, 10:24 PM


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QUOTE(Gordon @ Dec 31 2008, 06:51 PM) *
Thanks again everyone, another year ending with a big sigh of relief!

Gordon

stilvalleyflutes.com




Thanks. they are some nice flutes. Looks reasonably priced as well.
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I'm new here and I know this probably has come up many times. Can anyone direct me to a link or archive explaining the common length used for making the NA flutes. Iread, and correct me if wrong, seems the most I've seen or read is about 18" - 24". This is probably the style I'll be generally wanting to make.

Next is links or archives about the note holes. Preferably the 6 hole. I see there ae some 7 and 8 holes but not sure on making those.

Myth or Fact... Does the distance need to be equal between the embrochure and the first hole, as with from the last note hole to the end of the flute? I read as long as the distances are the same, then it shouldn't matter where the holes are placed.

Next is....Lathe turned or Handcrafted (=carved). I do have a lathe, but thought that my first would be by hand.
Even though I like the idea of turning on a lathe. I have no problem with doing either if the result the same. If one practice is much better, depending on opinions, then I'll experiment for myself, whihc I would think most flute makers may have done both to just try out and determined they crafting direction.

Ok...thats it for now...lol.
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QUOTE(Gordon @ Dec 31 2008, 06:59 PM) *
Welcome neighbor. Hope you enjoy the flute forums as much as I already have. Which book did you decide to start with?

Gordon from Allyn (by the bay), Washington.



Its called "The Flute Shop" by R.A. Wolf Seems to be their main book they like to show. There are a couple of the smaller books they have which I'll pick up in due time. Maybe the one about making larger size flutes.

As a curiousity, I have always heard of the NA Flutes but recently getting into this, I wonder how popular and
market there is for them. So....to be honest. I do not know how to play it yet. I took music in school a long time ago and have a little knowledge but I need to retrain myself and get a good discipline going for it.

The other night I made my first flute out of PVC, just to get a idea. I'm not sure what key its in but it was based on a couple of youtube vids and some reading about them. Its kinda representing a NA style. but so far it has been fun. and it felt like a good accomplishment even if it wasn't made of wood biggrin.gif

There is a another book I want to get but I'll see how this other one is first. I have built 2 guitars aswell, but know only a few chords here and there. I also plan on making a set of Bagpipes too, which is why I thought learnig to make some flutes with help is some of the basic concepts.

I currently also have a book called "The Amateur Wind Instrument Maker" by Trevor Robinson. Has helped a little.
It covers flutes, Fifes, Krumhorns, Recorders. Shows some reedmaking techniques and some older fashioned instruments.








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QUOTE(Gordon @ Dec 23 2008, 09:56 PM) *
We are located in Allyn Washington. Most of my days are spent in my humble little shop, but when time permits, I help out with the 4 H kids. I enjoy making flutes for Stilvalley, I'm also the exclusive flute blank supplier to Stellar flutes. My working relationship with Tom and his family goes back 6 years, I began making blanks to fill in for Matt while he setup his shop at his new home 5 years ago. After making hundreds of blanks I set up my own shop at home still making flute blanks for the Stewarts and making my own flutes. StilValley Flutes was brought to life. You can see my little shop at my web site, and please explore the rest of the site. Especially the interactive flute diagram. cool.gif



Hi Gordon,

I couldn't find your website address, can you or anyone post it. I would really love to check it out.

Thanks,

1031gd

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Hello everyone. I am Ray Kessinger. I have recently got into wanting to learn to make some NA Flutes. Not sure on general style of flutes yet. But I am willing to learn any and all things.

A quick background on me. I am 36, live in Vancouver, WA. Grew up in St. Helens Oregon. I have been doing many forms of woodworking for many years and about 4 years ago I got into woodturning, pens, bottle stoppers, a few bowls. But have recently found a new thing to turn...the NA flute.....

Well... I'm sure there is the pros and cons to handcrafting and turning on a lathe and will try both. I love Halloween and have been involved for many years of prop building for
the Haunted House attractions. So I have a little knowledge about woodworking to help me with this.

I have recently purchased a book from the Oregon Flute store about making NA Flutes. And can't wait to get my hands on it. In my researching I have seen flutes priced from $50.00 up to $1,000 and really wonder what makes them that different to cost so much more.

Thanks for providing a forum such as this and I'll take advantage of learning from anyone that will share. And possibly look for any local builders to meet with would be nice.

Thanks again,

TTYL

Ray K.
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