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» Northern Spirits' "indigenous", based on Kevins Locke's

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Hi, friends.

It's been a long while since I've shared a review. This will be a quickie!

I recently purchased one of Rich Dube's newer offerings. Per his website:
This new mid A flute is based on a traditionally tuned flute made by James Powesheik that is over 100 years old. The original flute was passed on to Kevin Locke by his mother."

Well, like Rich's original model, the "Contemporary Minor Pentatonic", this new one is also fantastic. Other than the tuning, the two are identical - in other words, "must-haves in one's flute quiver", IMHO.

Attached is a sound clip - nuttin' fancy, just messing around. After I listened to the recording, I realized that parts of it were songs that I have played on other flutes, including an Anazasi, I think (?). As such, it is familiar in some ways, while new in others! It does lend itself to "western" music, including Amazing Grace proper without any half-holing required, but I enjoy finding the more exotic stuff waiting inside.

I have inquired about whether or not he will be offering this new tuning in a kit form (more economical), but I haven't yet heard back. I bought if from eBay, hoping to boost his ratings there!

Also on his website is a review by another player - I'll paste it here:
"I enjoy the Grandfather tuned flute since it is tuned to A major Diatonic scale. It gives me more freedom to play in major or minor or chromatic scales. I've read about this flute that it is a Replica of Kevin Locke's grandfathers flute. My flute arrived today and I am very very happy with how it sounds. It plays very well and in tune, I am used to my cedar flutes and this flute stands up to them in quality."

That's it.

Cheers,
Scott
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Thanks for posting this !


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Wow, Scott! That flute has such a sweet voice! Love your playing, too!


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Hopefully, the shipping was parcel post, and not ground, from Canada. Diatonic tuning is kind of, an overlooked tuning, that makes things a whole lot easier for Irish songs, Xmas songs, and pop songs. While the fingering is more difficult, it also transforms the Cherokee Morning Song into what it really should be.

I have the MGA 8 hole diatonic in A. That is a very capable flute.


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The flute and your playing are captivating.


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Rich is wonderful... so is his flute, and so is your playing! Just delightful!! And expansive!!! Hugs to Rich and you, both smile.gif


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Beautiful playing and the flute sounds great. I've heard that they sound better than Ken Light's PF flutes... now I know! Thanks for posting this great review and MP3!


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QUOTE(bigsky @ Jul 23 2017, 01:22 PM) *
I've heard that they sound better than Ken Light's PF flutes... now I know!


Well ... "better" is really a subjective term here. I own both and they both play well. While the voices are different, with the PF sounding more raspy and very Nakai-like, and the Northern Spirits being clearer, the main difference is the tuning. The PF is close to a "standard" contemporary pentatonic, with one atypical note.

I thought I had posted a review of the PF-Series flute, with an MP3, but I don't see it ... so, I just made another quickie to attach here (no effects, no real "playing", just a dry (in every sense!) sample.

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Agree, that Ken Light's ABS flute is just as good a player, but it has alternative tuning, while Rich Dube uses standard tuning, on his minor pentatonic ABS flutes. For those who might prefer the standard fingering, Rich Dube's, is preferable, and for those who can play alternative tunings without any difficulty, either would be a good choice.

For diatonic tuned flutes, I haven't encountered any alternative tunings..........just good ones, and not so good, ones.


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QUOTE(MonoLoco @ Jul 22 2017, 12:41 PM) *
Hi, friends.

It's been a long while since I've shared a review. This will be a quickie!

I recently purchased one of Rich Dube's newer offerings. Per his website:
This new mid A flute is based on a traditionally tuned flute made by James Powesheik that is over 100 years old. The original flute was passed on to Kevin Locke by his mother."

Well, like Rich's original model, the "Contemporary Minor Pentatonic", this new one is also fantastic. Other than the tuning, the two are identical - in other words, "must-haves in one's flute quiver", IMHO.

Attached is a sound clip - nuttin' fancy, just messing around. After I listened to the recording, I realized that parts of it were songs that I have played on other flutes, including an Anazasi, I think (?). As such, it is familiar in some ways, while new in others! It does lend itself to "western" music, including Amazing Grace proper without any half-holing required, but I enjoy finding the more exotic stuff waiting inside.

I have inquired about whether or not he will be offering this new tuning in a kit form (more economical), but I haven't yet heard back. I bought if from eBay, hoping to boost his ratings there!

Also on his website is a review by another player - I'll paste it here:
"I enjoy the Grandfather tuned flute since it is tuned to A major Diatonic scale. It gives me more freedom to play in major or minor or chromatic scales. I've read about this flute that it is a Replica of Kevin Locke's grandfathers flute. My flute arrived today and I am very very happy with how it sounds. It plays very well and in tune, I am used to my cedar flutes and this flute stands up to them in quality."

That's it.

Cheers,
Scott


I enjoyed the song. Thanks for posting!

Mark


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Hey, lovely Scott! smile.gif Both flutes sound delightful in your hands... and, you know how I mentioned how nice it was to hear flute player friends' voices from way over here... This is truly a delight... almost a full conversation!! smile.gif

Your 'just messing around' is wonderful and the flutes both sound great!

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QUOTE(MonoLoco @ Jul 24 2017, 01:10 PM) *
Well ... "better" is really a subjective term here. I own both and they both play well. While the voices are different, with the PF sounding more raspy and very Nakai-like, and the Northern Spirits being clearer, the main difference is the tuning. The PF is close to a "standard" contemporary pentatonic, with one atypical note.

I thought I had posted a review of the PF-Series flute, with an MP3, but I don't see it ... so, I just made another quickie to attach here (no effects, no real "playing", just a dry (in every sense!) sample.


My statement wasn't intended to be derogatory towards the PF. A poor choice of words on my part. On the contrary. I have had one for years and think it's an outstanding instrument. I am glad you posted your Northern Spirits song because I had never heard one before. I am very impressed by what I heard! In fact, I would like to add one of Mr. Dube's flutes to my quiver to provide another " texture" to my collection. Thank you Scott! I appreciate and enjoyed both of your MP3's.

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Hey Rick,
Do you have to use a piper's grip on your CO diatonic 8 hole diatonic flute to reach the bottom hole? Just curious.
Stephen.


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An interesting thing about the PF flute, and Ken Lights flutes in general is that he vales the asthetic of evenly-placed and same-sized holes, so he worked out a fingering and tuning to accommodate that aesthetic.

As for it sounding like Nakai, I am pretty sure that it was used in some of his recordings. I also have a hunch that Ken Light's fingering system influenced Nakai's choice of four sharps in his TAB system rather than three. Not quite the odd-ball alternate tuning, considering the influence it has had...

Mike

edit: the fingering is not a reason for four vs. three sharps. Turns out most flutes will play the major sixth (the note indicated by the 4th sharp on the Nakai TAB staff) if the flute is played with a "simple-system" fingering (i.e., lifting the fingers one at a time for all the holes, including the 4th hole). With all holes open, however, the octave note is sharp, so to get the note that is pleasing to western ears, the top note needs to be flattened by closing a hole below it. In the standard, popular tuning, that would be hole 4, two holes down from the top hole. With Ken Light's flutes, the top hole is larger or higher on the bore to get the equal size and spacing, so the hole one down from the top hole has to be closed (the holes that are adjacent have more influence on the pitch than those that are two or more holes lower).

According to Flutopedia, "the most common tunings of traditional Native American flutes have the notes: F#, G#, A, B, C#, D#, E (half way down this page). Turns out the F# Dorian mode has four sharps that coincide with these notes, and this mode uses the C# natural minor key signature (the natural minor scale is the Aeolian mode). So that is apparently why Nakai used four instead of three sharps...

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Nope. I do use my pinky on the lowest hole, but all fingering is otherwise very comfortable, including the thumb hole.


QUOTE(Northern Lights @ Jul 25 2017, 04:32 AM) *
Hey Rick,
Do you have to use a piper's grip on your CO diatonic 8 hole diatonic flute to reach the bottom hole? Just curious.
Stephen.



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