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» Mp3 Of Proposed "sinagua Overtone" Flute

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I will be discussing this proposed Sinagua Overtone flute with a federal archaeologist in 3 weeks or less depending on his availability. In 3 weeks he will be forced to talk to me on a Hohokam rock art/pueblo hike.

The flute is a prototype 41 inch long, .8 " dia., D#3, no finger holes

The background information for this proposed flute evolved solely from this thread:

http://forums.fluteportal.com/index.php?showtopic=12746

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Thanks. It will be interesting to hear what the archaeologist says!


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QUOTE(Joe D @ Apr 29 2017, 01:22 AM) *
I will be discussing this proposed Sinagua Overtone flute with a federal archaeologist in 3 weeks or less depending on his availability. In 3 weeks he will be forced to talk to me on a Hohokam rock art/pueblo hike


"Forced"?🤔


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Keith,

I can be annoying like that when I am pushing an agenda.


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OK, but please don't use my MP3 to push it. I made it (and the Pete flute) to discuss a theory; not to annoy an archaeologist. 🤡

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Keith,

I can be annoying like that when I am pushing an agenda.



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Keith,

I will not need the MP3s. The Sinagua Overtone flute makes a good hiking stick and because it is plastic, I do not care if it looks abused at the foot end.

PS I thought that was funny about annoying the archaeologist, I will double annoy him now.

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QUOTE(Joe D @ Apr 30 2017, 12:01 PM) *
Keith,

I will not need the MP3s. The Sinagua Overtone flute makes a good hiking stick and because it is plastic, I do not care if it looks abused at the foot end.

PS I thought that was funny about annoying the archaeologist, I will double annoy him now.


Oh, I get it. The archaeologist is a pal of yours, eh? Then that should be fun! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

You could have some real fun with him by "planting" a really weird agave flute at the site before ya'll hike there. You know, sift some dirt over a partially covered "artifact".

My niece just had a destination wedding at Sonoma last week. My 6 year old nephew bought two "tourist arrowheads" at a souvenir shop and hid them at the place they were staying. He then "discovered" them, announcing his findings with great excitement. That little toot had 8 adults on their hands and knees looking for more! laugh.gif laugh.gif I'm keeping my eye on that little rascal! unsure.gif


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QUOTE(Keith Glowka @ Apr 30 2017, 09:55 PM) *
Oh, I get it. The archaeologist is a pal of yours, eh? Then that should be fun! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

You could have some real fun with him by "planting" a really weird agave flute at the site before ya'll hike there. You know, sift some dirt over a partially covered "artifact".

My niece just had a destination wedding at Sonoma last week. My 6 year old nephew bought two "tourist arrowheads" at a souvenir shop and hid them at the place they were staying. He then "discovered" them, announcing his findings with great excitement. That little toot had 8 adults on their hands and knees looking for more! laugh.gif laugh.gif I'm keeping my eye on that little rascal! unsure.gif


Hm . . . sounds like he's taking after his uncle . . . laugh.gif
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Keith,

I have had kids came from the jungle in S. Mexico at Monte Alban trying to sell dirty looking fake artifacts in the mid 1970s.

Went on the guided hike with a retired archaeologist. He had eight 4WD vehicles on this expediton. It was a brutal hike because of the rocky cliffs, sun intensity and heat (are you sure there was a solar eclipse yesterday it never occurred to anyone ? ) . I was stung twice by wasp types. My son removed the stingers with tweezers. The scent of my very old bug spray may have angered them. Plenty of petroglyphs seen and high grass concealing pueblo walls. Someone found a finger bone which the archaeologist had him put back where he found it.

The archaeologist asked how an overtone flute can change notes without finger holes but he was familiar with the Anasazi flutes in museums. He was not familiar with the playing and building of the Anasazi flute. He did say that the idea (of one handed flute players seen on rock art are likely playing an overtone flute) is a very interesting concept.

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You were looking for that eclipse on May 21...three months early, Joe. The big event is on August 21. Even where you live, you'll still see it, but it will be partial rather than total. It will be during your monsoon season, but if skies are clear, here's a link to what you can expect to see:

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/usa/phoenix

But for the bugs, your expedition sounds like a success. The overtone flute does sound like an interesting concept. It's also a likely possibility. Keep "digging"...you might be able to find evidence that someday moves it from theory to proven fact.



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Keith,

I have had kids came from the jungle in S. Mexico at Monte Alban trying to sell dirty looking fake artifacts in the mid 1970s.

Went on the guided hike with a retired archaeologist. He had eight 4WD vehicles on this expediton. It was a brutal hike because of the rocky cliffs, sun intensity and heat (are you sure there was a solar eclipse yesterday it never occurred to anyone ? ) . I was stung twice by wasp types. My son removed the stingers with tweezers. The scent of my very old bug spray may have angered them. Plenty of petroglyphs seen and high grass concealing pueblo walls. Someone found a finger bone which the archaeologist had him put back where he found it.

The archaeologist asked how an overtone flute can change notes without finger holes but he was familiar with the Anasazi flutes in museums. He was not familiar with the playing and building of the Anasazi flute. He did say that the idea (of one handed flute players seen on rock art are likely playing an overtone flute) is a very interesting concept.


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Keith,

Another total brain eclipse on my part which explains why no weird ground shadowing was seen. Thanks for the location specific link.



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Keith,

Another total brain eclipse on my part which explains why no weird ground shadowing was seen. Thanks for the location specific link.


Ah! You know of the shadows! People pay so much attention to what's skyward in an eclipse that many aren't aware of what happens on the ground under a tree!

A pinhole camera is a simple camera without a lens. It focuses an image by how light travels through a small opening (the pinhole). The overlapping of thousands of leaves in a tree effectively creates many such "pinholes" that focus the sun's image on the ground. It's not so noticeable when then sun is round...just splotches on the ground. But when the sun is in crescent form, as in an eclipse, the effect is impressive. (see photo)

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Well, I have to wait until late Jan next year for a total eclipse of the Moon, and until April 2023 for a partial eclipse of the Sun... No point getting too excited just yet biggrin.gif

I'll be thinking of you Northern Hemisphere-ans, though. I do remember one solar eclipse, almost total, in my much earlier years, maybe early high school, though. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Keith Glowka @ May 22 2017, 05:11 PM) *
Ah! You know of the shadows! People pay so much attention to what's skyward in an eclipse that many aren't aware of what happens on the ground under a tree!

A pinhole camera is a simple camera without a lens. It focuses an image by how light travels through a small opening (the pinhole). The overlapping of thousands of leaves in a tree effectively creates many such "pinholes" that focus the sun's image on the ground. It's not so noticeable when then sun is round...just splotches on the ground. But when the sun is in crescent form, as in an eclipse, the effect is impressive. (see photo)

That's so cool! A video as the dappled eclipse images develop, dance across the ground, and diminish would be awesome, especially set to flute music. Something to think about when the time comes later this summer...

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That's so cool! A video as the dappled eclipse images develop, dance across the ground, and diminish would be awesome, especially set to flute music. Something to think about when the time comes later this summer...

Mike


Mike,

I put the response to this in the "Sun Show" thread in the Body, Mind, and Spirit section.

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Here is the Anasazi rock art that first got me thinking why a flute would be played with one hand.

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