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Posted on: Jun 5 2017, 05:47 PM


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For you all who have been here a while this topic has been discussed many times. I think it is a worthy discussion that goes well beyond the scope of the "musical instrument" we call NAF.
Please don't hesitate to share your ideas and thoughts but lets be respectful in doing so that way we won't need to move it to the "Agree to Disagree" forum wink.gif

I'll reserve my comments for the time being...
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Posted on: Jun 5 2017, 05:41 PM


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QUOTE(MonoLoco @ Jun 5 2017, 06:22 PM) *
Hmmm.
"What, if any, responsibility do non-Natives who play NAF have in all this?"
In all "this"? Personally, I feel no responsibility for crimes committed by a government that was in power way before I was born - how could I possibly be held responsible in any way? Well, OK, I suppose I did buy a house on land that was stolen from the original caretakers - am I to give it back to their descendants? It's an interesting topic, but not with practical resolutions. It's hard to think on without interaction and specific feedback from those asking the questions.

The idea of cultural appropriation, on the other hand, is something that I do can, and do, consider regularly. I respect all people and all cultures. I borrow from all cultures, but always with respect and appreciation. With regards to the NAF, I (we Portalites) probably know more about the instrument than many, if not most, native folks. Because it is so important to me, I do feel a responsibility to help Natives who wish to reconnect with it do so ... I always freely offer to share my knowledge and give playing instructions, etc. In that way, I am able to give back at least a little. I also educate non-natives about the NAF, and make it a point to explain, even if briefly, the history of how it went underground and why it went underground and how it has made a comeback. In this way, the NAF opens peoples' eyes to the larger picture of some history that is otherwise not really well know by many non-natives. Anyway, that's how I "justify" my flute relationship ... should anyone think I need to justify it (not that "I" think I need to justify anything). Viva Kokopelli!


Scott that's pretty a presumptuous comment. You may have knowledge of the NAsF that some may not have but to say you know more about the NAF than most native people...I find that a bit offensive.
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Posted on: Jun 5 2017, 05:28 PM


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Hmmmm....
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Posted on: Mar 26 2017, 04:37 PM


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Found the recording online. The notes do not indicate any flute music but there are some good songs on it. I have a few cassette recordings with some of the singers. You'll enjoy it I am sure! smile.gif
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Posted on: Mar 26 2017, 04:32 PM


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Thanks so much for the time and effort to photograph and post these notes!! Is there flute music on the cd too? Does it mention the players name?
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Posted on: Mar 26 2017, 09:02 AM


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QUOTE(rocksncactus @ Mar 25 2017, 11:52 PM) *
Wow, thanks for all the replies! It's good to know others feel my pain. The problem is more or less resolved. I did manage to reallocate some money and went to the estate sale today. It started Thursday. I'm impressed that anything was left. When I walked in the door I saw a woman at the register waiting to pay for the flute that I'd wanted to go for. Totally my fault, I guess, as I could have gotten there sooner. I should have texted my friend who sent me pictures and told me of the sale on Friday to buy it immediately and I'd figure out something later. *sigh* It was a Bob Childs "Ugly Boy" low B that looked new. That lady also got a Jonah Thompson A and a horizontal rack for two flutes.

I checked out the other flutes and first said nah and instead bought the two multi-flute vertical stands. I put those in the car and went back. I ended up getting two of the other flutes and will probably be posting pics to see if anybody recognizes at least one's maker. The remaining three flutes were poor ones. One was a Goldenhawk, and the other two were unmarked. Oh, and the one flute that was missing that had been in my text photo was a long Billy Whitefox.

I also scored four Jeff Ball CDs and a CD of Ojibwa (sp.?) flute music/tribal history/information. I got a good deal on everything because I told him that the prices were a bit high. Oh, and I got one of the four drum beaters, too. I also talked a while to a couple there who may come to our next flute circle. I also suggested they join the Portal to start their NAF education.

So it turned out okay, but it will be a while before I get over missing out on that low B. They were asking $87, and he ended up agreeing to 50 because she bought other stuff! Talk about a steal!

Thanks for all the suggestions and support. You know, you always find something you need/want when you can't or shouldn't get it. I'm not broke; I'm saving for Musical Echoes, 'cause I'm GOING!!!!!!!!!! Got my hotel room and everything. This will be my first ever flute gathering of any kind other than flute circle, so I'm really stoked! And I am sure I'll find at least one flute there that will want to come home with me, so now I'm absolutely locking the billfold! And I'm saving some of y'all's suggestions for next time.



I'd love to know more about this cd. When it was made, who the flute person is and what types of information the cd offered. Also do you have photo's of the two unmarked flutes? Thanks...smile.gif
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Posted on: Feb 3 2017, 06:38 PM


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Scott I agree with Jan about the affect on it's value. I think anything you might do to it will. How long is the bore? 14-ish inches? Are the finger holes large? You maybe able to tune the flute to match the fundamental.
Have you had it a while? If it has sit a long time you may consider not doing anything to it until it has been "re-awakened" ...dramatic changes can happen to tuning when the flute is idle for a period...

Please do post some photo's...
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Posted on: Dec 5 2016, 10:48 AM


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QUOTE(Geoffrey @ Dec 5 2016, 02:42 PM) *
Indeed.

Lots of new members on the forums recently and I suspect many of them are not conversant with the site's policies regarding issues that have a strong political slant. In this part of the forum I grant you the rules are much more flexible, but the obvious logic of the rule can be seen. People get hot under the collar about politics.

If this were strictly a "spiritual" issue then I think there would be no controversy. At least no overt ambiguity (can something be overtly ambiguous?) about which category it falls into.

However as others have said this is a spiritual issue for many and at the same time inseparable from politics. I'm not around the site as much as I once was so I totally missed this thread. Had I seen it at first I probably would have stopped it because its political trajectory was unmistakable (meaning there is absolutely no way to discuss it at length without making reference to political issues).

So I have objection to folks talking about the environmental concerns, their personal spiritual views and such, but I would ask that for the sake of harmony no references at all to partisan politics. I realize how difficult this is. You can't talk about the law without touching on it. But sending prayers in a general way seems perfectly harmless (and hopefully beneficial!). Talking about the current or future administration is probably not a good idea.


Good post Geoffrey~
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Posted on: Dec 5 2016, 10:46 AM


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Rick I'm just being antagonistic here so don't pay attention...smile.gif ( Actually thinking fondly of our earlier debates here on the Forum. Real debates not arguments. I miss a good old fashion debate)

This issue is as political as speaking about flutes in keys...ohmy.gif

In my eye's it is a Cultural issue ~ Both the issue at Standing Rock and the True nature of Flute...

OK Antagonistic hat off (mod hat back on too)

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Posted on: Dec 4 2016, 06:04 PM


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Peter mix up some 5 minute epoxy. As it begins to stiffen apply it to the inside of the hole. Once it dries you can gradually increase the hole diameter using a small round file or rolled up sandpaper. It is faster than the nail polish method and does not smell as much.
It's not really complicated to insert a round piece of wood into the hole. A contrasting color looks artistic. Sand the hole a bit to remove any finish. Shape a piece of wood that fits the hole. 5 minute epoxy to secure it then once dry open the hole to your desired size/pitch. A fairly simple fix...
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Posted on: Dec 4 2016, 03:59 PM


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Feds deny permit for Dakota Access pipeline !!!!
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Posted on: Nov 24 2016, 06:30 AM


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Everyday we have many reasons to be grateful, many Blessings in our lives.

~Happy Thanksgiving~
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Posted on: Oct 26 2016, 03:07 PM


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Good point Ed. In the video it appears he made the flute right after harvesting the wood. Do you know if in fact he did? My wife has urged me to try boring green sticks...I may give it a try. I imagine it won't be a long drying time with the bore in it...
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Posted on: Oct 26 2016, 09:46 AM


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Nice flute! I have a small "bird " voiced flute that looks a lot like your Pomo flute. I agree the bark does hold fast...Overall I really enjoy using Elderberry for flutes and the plant itself has a lot of medicinal value.

Are you thinking of or have you made Fujara? It's on my list of flutes I NEED! smile.gif
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Posted on: Oct 26 2016, 06:09 AM


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Keith I searched for some more info regarding Elderberry wood's hardness. Not so surprisingly one site called it a soft wood and another a hardwood...smile.gif
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Posted on: Oct 26 2016, 06:02 AM


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Soft is relative Keith...compared to Osage Orange it is soft BUT and that is a big BUT I don't believe it is technically a softwood. So there tongue.gif biggrin.gif
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Posted on: Oct 26 2016, 03:13 AM


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Linnie elderberry is the traditional wood used in making Fujara. It has a soft pithy center which makes it a bit easier to bore as well as offering an easy path for the bit to follow. The wood itself is a "hardwood" but I consider it a softer hardwood similar to Birch.

Don't know much about the fabrication of the tool...It is nice though! smile.gif
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Posted on: Oct 25 2016, 03:21 PM


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Stitches?!!! ohmy.gif Keith in all the years of making flutes I NEVER had to get stitches!!!!!! I did once need a stitch, a single stitch after I stuck a carving knife through my finger. Yep one stitch closed it up nicely. I won't tell you about the pain when the Dr put in the numbing stuff via a needle and how I almost, ALMOST, cried cause it hurt so much!! ohmy.gif Lisa was holding my hand as I trembled with watery eyes...but I did not cry!! smile.gif
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Posted on: Oct 25 2016, 02:16 PM


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I loved watching this video!! Thanks Keith!!!

You're correct about the tools I use for boring. A brace and bit though the bits are not really compatible with the brace. They are meant for high speed electric drills. The shaft is round which causes it to slip. For years I filed the shaft from round to 3 sided. Now the company that makes the bits I use are making them 3 sided!

I also use a draw knife and block plane. I particularly liked the gauge used to measure the fipples angle...

Hand tools are wonderful to use for many reasons however after all these years my body is beginning to wear out! ohmy.gif I'll blame it on the tools but it is probably age related...biggrin.gif
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Posted on: Oct 21 2016, 04:02 PM


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I'm curious ~ Just wondering why there has been so few comments on this thread?
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Posted on: Oct 21 2016, 06:13 AM


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Thanks for bringing this issue to the Portal!
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Posted on: Oct 13 2016, 05:22 PM


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Linnie I took this photo this past summer...actually I took a lot of photo's! ohmy.gif I've had more than an interest in whales since I was quite young. Here in Maine most whales are far off shore though on occasion Minke whales are seen. On Cape Cod, which is in Massachusetts, Race Point is a great place for whale watching from shore! Humpbacks, Finbacks, Minkes AND North Atlantic Right Whales can be seen! Last year the majority of North Atlantic Right Whales was in Cape Cod Bay. There are only a little more than 500 left and most were in the bay!!
The whale watch boat trips are great too! Often 10 or 15 minutes after leaving the dock we're surrounded by whales....

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Posted on: Oct 13 2016, 02:16 PM


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QUOTE(Kuz @ Oct 13 2016, 04:31 PM) *
Nice tribute to John, Hawk smile.gif
Sweet, sweet, sweet, I bet you got his attention wink.gif
Kuz


Thank you Kuz! Don't know if I got his attention but I can say he has always had mine ~
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Posted on: Oct 13 2016, 12:05 PM


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Linnie here is a video of me playing a flute tuned like your Stan do-re-mi Snake flute smile.gif That tuning is common with the old flutes from the plains.


https://www.facebook.com/barbara.gail1/vide...8547566/?type=3
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Posted on: Oct 12 2016, 05:52 AM


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Hi Linnie ~ Is there also a thumb hole in the flute? The photo appears to be a tuning hole at the end/foot of the flute. If so then I suspect it was meant to be played with it opened. Have you listened to any of Stan's music?

I'm curious about "finding the scale"...what does that really mean? This question not specifically directed to you... If we have an idea in our head about what the flutes voice "should be" it may prevent us from learning what the flutes voice "Is"...

Oh I would be curious and happy to know more about your time with the whales! We could swap a few stories smile.gif
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